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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by Thom I</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, creativity without fear of what others think or even what you think is needed.</description>
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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by Mike</title>
		<link>http://tomfishburne.com/2012/05/where-the-wild-ideas-are.html#comment-26668</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 03:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 40 and my boss is in his 30&#039;s however I am the one with the wild ideas people like. Sometimes when I do them I get my hand slapped by Management but my users love what I come up with and that&#039;s why I stay wild!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 40 and my boss is in his 30&#8242;s however I am the one with the wild ideas people like. Sometimes when I do them I get my hand slapped by Management but my users love what I come up with and that&#8217;s why I stay wild!</p>
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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by Stephen Macklin</title>
		<link>http://tomfishburne.com/2012/05/where-the-wild-ideas-are.html#comment-26664</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Macklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 03:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A perfect illustration of why you should never invite legal to a brainstorm.</description>
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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by felicitee</title>
		<link>http://tomfishburne.com/2012/05/where-the-wild-ideas-are.html#comment-26514</link>
		<dc:creator>felicitee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 00:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I always have to ask &quot;Devils Advoactes&quot; so you want us to know whose side you are on then??

Personally I like deBono and the 6 hats - give a bit of time for a black hat and then its off limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I always have to ask &#8220;Devils Advoactes&#8221; so you want us to know whose side you are on then??</p>
<p>Personally I like deBono and the 6 hats &#8211; give a bit of time for a black hat and then its off limits.</p>
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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by Kathryn Gorges</title>
		<link>http://tomfishburne.com/2012/05/where-the-wild-ideas-are.html#comment-26512</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Gorges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 23:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wild Ones embody that freedom from preconceptions -- the beginner&#039;s mind that is ever so precious in the world.  The fresh approach or perspective on something everyone thinks they already know everything about.  Truly valuing that means valuing the bit of wildness that comes with that mind: eccentricity, directness, persistent questioning, unpredictability, innocence, a belief in the possibility of personally making a difference, that discovery is everywhere.   

The devil&#039;s advocate &#039;knows&#039; the truth already -- they get power in the act of fitting things into what&#039;s already known -- because underneath they are truly frightened of what is unknown, untried, unthought, and untested.

Wildness is uncomfortable and unleashes the impossible -- at the same time.

Perhaps a balance is sometimes needed -- but as soon as you &#039;balance&#039; the wildness it is lost...forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wild Ones embody that freedom from preconceptions &#8212; the beginner&#8217;s mind that is ever so precious in the world.  The fresh approach or perspective on something everyone thinks they already know everything about.  Truly valuing that means valuing the bit of wildness that comes with that mind: eccentricity, directness, persistent questioning, unpredictability, innocence, a belief in the possibility of personally making a difference, that discovery is everywhere.   </p>
<p>The devil&#8217;s advocate &#8216;knows&#8217; the truth already &#8212; they get power in the act of fitting things into what&#8217;s already known &#8212; because underneath they are truly frightened of what is unknown, untried, unthought, and untested.</p>
<p>Wildness is uncomfortable and unleashes the impossible &#8212; at the same time.</p>
<p>Perhaps a balance is sometimes needed &#8212; but as soon as you &#8216;balance&#8217; the wildness it is lost&#8230;forever.</p>
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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by Josh</title>
		<link>http://tomfishburne.com/2012/05/where-the-wild-ideas-are.html#comment-26510</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 21:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really nice drawing, tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really nice drawing, tom</p>
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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by Allen Roberts</title>
		<link>http://tomfishburne.com/2012/05/where-the-wild-ideas-are.html#comment-26509</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The devils advocate should get out of the way, the Devil is doing just fine by himself!</description>
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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by Mark Ralls</title>
		<link>http://tomfishburne.com/2012/05/where-the-wild-ideas-are.html#comment-26499</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ralls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 17:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would really like to speak for the devil anyway? Equally as dangerous is the person that only looks at worse case scenarios. Always pessimistic, always failure focused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who would really like to speak for the devil anyway? Equally as dangerous is the person that only looks at worse case scenarios. Always pessimistic, always failure focused.</p>
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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by Jennifer Nelson</title>
		<link>http://tomfishburne.com/2012/05/where-the-wild-ideas-are.html#comment-26496</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 16:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago, when my oldest &quot;baby&quot; was a toddler, I picked up a dusty old copy of &quot;Where the Wild Things Are&quot; at a neighbors garage sale.  It smelled faintly of mildew, which rendered unsaleable to all the others -- but brought me back immediately to my own childhood and the great basement flood that landed my copy in the trash despite my pleadings and tears over 30 years before.  Well, mildewy or not, I HAD to have this for my child.  There are countless tributes to this great man and this great book and extensive literary dissections of it - so I will spare you all that but just offer this one take:

It wasn&#039;t the bargain price of a dollar, but the priceless lesson of the conversion of anger and frustration into imagination and self-defined success that compelled me.  

And how does this apply to business innovation?  Wild new ideas do often trigger anger and frustration among members of an organization - both at inception and sometimes even more so if you get into execution phase(s).   The devil&#039;s advocate is the manifestation of this anger and frustration.  Here&#039;s my advice:  don&#039;t turn this him away, adopt him.  You&#039;re welcome to assume that ALL of the worst-case scenario won&#039;t happen(I rarely hear of shark attacks during a tornado), but within his criticisms lies very real barriers to your subsequent success.  

But most of all - don&#039;t let the naysayer stop you - take in what he says (probe him for more!) and see if you can&#039;t actually bring your fledgling idea to that much better a place as you genuinely consider and address weaknesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago, when my oldest &#8220;baby&#8221; was a toddler, I picked up a dusty old copy of &#8220;Where the Wild Things Are&#8221; at a neighbors garage sale.  It smelled faintly of mildew, which rendered unsaleable to all the others &#8212; but brought me back immediately to my own childhood and the great basement flood that landed my copy in the trash despite my pleadings and tears over 30 years before.  Well, mildewy or not, I HAD to have this for my child.  There are countless tributes to this great man and this great book and extensive literary dissections of it &#8211; so I will spare you all that but just offer this one take:</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t the bargain price of a dollar, but the priceless lesson of the conversion of anger and frustration into imagination and self-defined success that compelled me.  </p>
<p>And how does this apply to business innovation?  Wild new ideas do often trigger anger and frustration among members of an organization &#8211; both at inception and sometimes even more so if you get into execution phase(s).   The devil&#8217;s advocate is the manifestation of this anger and frustration.  Here&#8217;s my advice:  don&#8217;t turn this him away, adopt him.  You&#8217;re welcome to assume that ALL of the worst-case scenario won&#8217;t happen(I rarely hear of shark attacks during a tornado), but within his criticisms lies very real barriers to your subsequent success.  </p>
<p>But most of all &#8211; don&#8217;t let the naysayer stop you &#8211; take in what he says (probe him for more!) and see if you can&#8217;t actually bring your fledgling idea to that much better a place as you genuinely consider and address weaknesses.</p>
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		<title>Comment on where the wild ideas are by Sean</title>
		<link>http://tomfishburne.com/2012/05/where-the-wild-ideas-are.html#comment-26473</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I contest.  A devil&#039;s advocate is, canonically, the antithesis of a sage advocate: someone whose advice inhibits or confuses a decision rather than focusing it.  A devil&#039;s advocate does a lot of nay-saying, yes, but as a dedicated force sticking with an idea and continually pushing it against the general consensus, even arguing for points of an idea when general consensus turns negative.  A good devil&#039;s advocate will do an about-face and argue even against themselves if their own view is too readily adopted.  A devil&#039;s advocate should probably be locked out of final decision-making meetings once all the ~relevant~ risks and benefits are known, lest they persist in bringing up increasingly irrelevant ones and seeding doubt among the execs who need to sign off, but before that point it is very possible for a devil&#039;s advocate to be a net-constructive force on a team willing to address concerns by fixing them rather than shunning them.

There are still individuals as Kelley describes who act to shut down ideas, but as described, their actions are much more unilateral and much more detached.  They tend to be more often motivated more by an interest in asserting their subjective position and beliefs than in engaging actual issues.  And they may very well claim &quot;devil&#039;s advocacy&quot; when the rest of the room is for an idea, just because it appears to give them objective cover, and they expect the idea to die before they need to switch sides and defend it.

There is very much a place for a devil&#039;s advocate in well-structured healthy innovation.  In my experience as a multiply recognized leading innovator in my company, and active self-identifying devil&#039;s advocate, I&#039;d be more inclined to blame the culture when an idea fails.  The devil&#039;s advocate is only capable of single-handedly killing an idea when the established culture shuns adversity or risk; i.e. when an attack on one part of an idea is met with acceptance rather than solutions, when nobody wishes to defend an idea once it becomes &quot;tainted&quot; with uncertainty, or when ideas are so &quot;owned&quot; by individuals that they cannot be objectively criticized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I contest.  A devil&#8217;s advocate is, canonically, the antithesis of a sage advocate: someone whose advice inhibits or confuses a decision rather than focusing it.  A devil&#8217;s advocate does a lot of nay-saying, yes, but as a dedicated force sticking with an idea and continually pushing it against the general consensus, even arguing for points of an idea when general consensus turns negative.  A good devil&#8217;s advocate will do an about-face and argue even against themselves if their own view is too readily adopted.  A devil&#8217;s advocate should probably be locked out of final decision-making meetings once all the ~relevant~ risks and benefits are known, lest they persist in bringing up increasingly irrelevant ones and seeding doubt among the execs who need to sign off, but before that point it is very possible for a devil&#8217;s advocate to be a net-constructive force on a team willing to address concerns by fixing them rather than shunning them.</p>
<p>There are still individuals as Kelley describes who act to shut down ideas, but as described, their actions are much more unilateral and much more detached.  They tend to be more often motivated more by an interest in asserting their subjective position and beliefs than in engaging actual issues.  And they may very well claim &#8220;devil&#8217;s advocacy&#8221; when the rest of the room is for an idea, just because it appears to give them objective cover, and they expect the idea to die before they need to switch sides and defend it.</p>
<p>There is very much a place for a devil&#8217;s advocate in well-structured healthy innovation.  In my experience as a multiply recognized leading innovator in my company, and active self-identifying devil&#8217;s advocate, I&#8217;d be more inclined to blame the culture when an idea fails.  The devil&#8217;s advocate is only capable of single-handedly killing an idea when the established culture shuns adversity or risk; i.e. when an attack on one part of an idea is met with acceptance rather than solutions, when nobody wishes to defend an idea once it becomes &#8220;tainted&#8221; with uncertainty, or when ideas are so &#8220;owned&#8221; by individuals that they cannot be objectively criticized.</p>
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